tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2026852332372496889.post7128920991198387122..comments2024-03-29T02:28:59.812-07:00Comments on HeavyDisc: Putting: Begin at the End....Heavy Dischttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09859554566219778845noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2026852332372496889.post-47709405845919058652015-02-15T16:42:44.259-08:002015-02-15T16:42:44.259-08:00I also met a pro in Iowa 20 or so years ago who he...I also met a pro in Iowa 20 or so years ago who help provide that epiphany for me. I watched him practice putting. He was launching his disc ways up high with the nose down and it appeared as if they were sliding down a schoolyard slide at the basket. I noticed that his misses were staying consistently a short distance from the basket, even when he was putting from 30'-35' out. That impressed me a great deal and I started trying to always get the disc headed down at the basket and found that comebacks were consistently shorter for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04305815929368157713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2026852332372496889.post-9209377847881296722015-02-15T16:37:19.319-08:002015-02-15T16:37:19.319-08:00I don't see it as "putting to miss."...I don't see it as "putting to miss." I just see it as preparing for the worst, doing the work beforehand to reduce the consequences of a miss. Of the many different lines I can put the disc on to the target, I'm choosing from among those that result in the least catastrophic ending.<br /><br />There are folks who are solid putters who simply choose the best line they have available and run at it. McCray comes to mind--"the chains will stop it." I love watching those guys play, as there's always drama when the backdrop they're shooting into involves a steep valley or creek or pond. Shoot, I've played many rounds where that's what I did (and lost a Magnet in a lake that way, after hitting the chains). I just finally realized that I could still attack the pin, only in ways that aren't likely to be as bad for me should the pin win the battle on that throw.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04305815929368157713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2026852332372496889.post-43575207903744668072015-02-02T13:53:02.666-08:002015-02-02T13:53:02.666-08:00upvoteupvoteMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03185780920398352619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2026852332372496889.post-82033287816959856342015-02-02T08:52:59.769-08:002015-02-02T08:52:59.769-08:00I can't say I completely disagree with everyth...I can't say I completely disagree with everything here, but I think what you are describing is "putting to miss." Maybe I'm one of the extreme optimists you are referring too because I think that the best way to score is to putt to make it every time. Obviously we should make allowances for when we miss, but the best way to minimize bad outcomes of a miss (rollaways, etc) is to make the putt in the first place.<br /><br />There are some extremely good putters who putt with a style similar to what you are describing, Nikko being the best example, but I don't think that makes it the best kind of putt to emulate necessarily. I agree that we want the putt to end up near the basket on misses, but I think the method of putting you are describing introduces a few huge sources of error:<br /><br />1. Putting with a pronounced nose angle of any kind (up, or down in this case) makes your disc more susceptible to wind. In a tail wind it will be lifted up, and in a headwind it will be smacked to the ground. I don't know about you, but I don't play all that many rounds without wind.<br /><br />2. You have to hit both the Y and Z axis of the putt. What I mean by that is that you have to get the height of the disc as it approaches the basket correct, and you have to get the depth (z axis) correct. Any kind of putt has to hit the x, y and z axis correctly to go in, but you are introducing large amounts of error to both of those axis with this method of putting at the expense of a pretty easy to hit x axis (left and right) and a soft landing on misses.<br /><br />I completely agree with the bit about the disc being level when it hits the chains. What Garrett Gurthie do that silly hyzer put sometime and it slides through the chains a lot. It also gets messed up by the wind because of the hyzer angle.<br /><br />Blake from dgr talked about soft vs hard putters a long time ago and described basically that they both just have different sweet spots. A soft putter excels at hitting the pro side of the chains (right side if you are putting right handed), but if you hit left of center there is a chance you are going to spin off of the chains because of the grippiness of the disc (although I'd believe that you minimize this by your disc being slightly nose down). Hard putters excel at staying in the basket anywhere in the middle really. Slightly right of center is always better, but you can hit the middle 60-80% of chains and stay in while potentially sliding off if you hit too far right or left.CLardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11271524230950047303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2026852332372496889.post-50347263144278104162015-01-30T20:56:00.291-08:002015-01-30T20:56:00.291-08:00Great read TAFL! I look forward to reading more fr...Great read TAFL! I look forward to reading more from you. Tiny parachutes, hmm, you might be onto something there! 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